Wouldn’t it be nice if you could research ancient people without getting tangled up with white supremacists (who insist that all the great ancient civilisations were white) and black supremacists (who insist that all the great ancient peoples were black), and someone who appeared to be asserting that every single ancient civilisation (except the black africans) had the identical mid brown skin colour to her son.
They sling insults and racial epithets at each other, assume bad faith of everyone of ‘the other race’, selectively choose only the pictures that might seem to support their assertions, and are completely incapable of analysing ancient pictures rationally.
It’s so silly. Your value as a human being does not rely on people of your skin colour ruling the world in ancient history.
I’ve seen this picture used as ‘evidence’ that Egyptians were ‘black’. I don’t doubt that some of them were, but in the context of the whole painting these ladies are clearly from further south in Africa.
I wouldn’t be surprised if someone some time tries to claim that the right-hand lady proves the Egyptians were blond aryans with a bit of a suntan – stranger claims are made 🙂
What it does show is that the Egyptians were well aware that – shock horror – there can be a number of different skin colours in a single civilisation.
That’s how I approach my illustrations. I use a large mix of skin colours – in which I am more fortunate than the egyptian artists who had a very limited pallette. Most people are brownish/olive. Egyptians tend to be darker than Israelites, but there’s no hard dividing line, and a fair bit of overlap – both Moses and the apostle Paul were mistaken for Egyptians. Outdoor people are darker than people with indoor, sedentary jobs – meaning poor people are darker than rich people who can keep out of the sun. Women on average are paler than men – which was exagerated greatly in ancient pictures, adding to the confusion.
We know there was migration, slavery and intermarriage, meaning you can add a bit of a mix. Moses married a Cushite (african) wife. David happened to have a Cushite in his army. Ebed-Melech the Cushite happened to work in the Israelite palace, and rescued Jeremiah. By the time you get to the New Testament, you can add in the results of Roman slavery, making black africans, blonde scandinavians and ginger celts all reasonable gentile minorities. Herod had a Gaulish bodyguard. Haven’t drawn any of these yet.
I do tend to lean towards the darker colours for my Bible people – when you look at real people, you can easily get a white person who is much darker than a middle eastern person. But in a simple style of drawing, you don’t have the subtleties, so I use skin colour. Strikes a balance with all the illustrations out there that seem to think Bible people were just europeans/white americans in funny clothes.
Oops – I’m supposed to be researching the widow of Zarephath (Phoenician) – I didn’t mean to get waylaid!
THIS PICTURE SHOW DIFFERENT SKIN TON OF BLACK PEOPLE…..LIKE YOU DON’T MAKE DIFFERENTS RACES OF BROWN OR BLOND WHITE PEOPLE!!!
NON BLACK IS BLACK !!! BLACK IS NOT A COLOR !!! BLACK PEOLE HAVE BROWN SKIN…DARK BROWN , LIGHT BROWN ….CHOCOLATE OR COFFEE BROWN
IF YOU ARE UNABLE TO LOOK EXACTLY WICH SKIN COLOR(REAL) ARE BLACK PEOPLE , LOOK AROUND YOU
REAL OLD EGYPTIAANS WERE BLACKS
THERE IS NOT BLACK SUPREMACISTS , BECAUSE I DON’T SEE ANY BLACK SUPREMACY IN THE WORLD…OR SHOW ME ONE !!
Hi Bonkar,
I actually agree with most of what you are saying! Maybe I didn’t explain it clearly (also, I think you are not a native English speaker).
I agree the ladies in the picture are all black (my point was that they are not Egyptian).
I agree that black people come in a wide range of skin tones. Looking around me, I see many different skin colours, of people of all races.
I agree that some ancient Egyptians were black, but I do not agree that they all were. However I’m not going to argue with you about this! It makes no difference to me personally what colour they were – I know they weren’t white! There were many other great ancient civilisations who were definitely all black – such as Meroë.
If someone believes that their race is superior to all others, and they hate and despise other people – perhaps desiring that all other people will be enslaved, exterminated, or sent to hell, I would call them a supremacist. I have never met people like this in real life, but unfortunately I have on the internet. I’m glad you haven’t.
I agree. Race is a social construct. “In God’s eyes there’s no such thing as black or white,” Bahai-info.@usbnc.org. Race is an idea invented by European intellectuals 2 create a hierarchy based on colorist stereotypes. White on top. All other colors below, & black skin bottom. There has 2 b a balance in history. Pale Europeans have always been the worlds’ minority. Ancient Egyptians ranged from light olive 2 jet black skinned. That includes north Africa, mid east, Arabia & the Judaic peoples. Rome/Greece more variety in ancient times. But refugees r adding more color 2 day. 2 b more spiritual– we must try 2 think Godlike.